UPDATE: Well, OK, that was a bit screedy. I should have left it for a morning read. Nonetheless, I will keep it posted so that, as Matt Welch once said to me, I am "reminded me of how I felt at the time."
Here's my beef: Schlesinger complains that the war debate has been left in the hands of "infantile leftists", yet he trots out all the ridiculous arguments employed by those same folks to whom he condescends. He is Michael Moore in a tweed coat with worn elbow patches. So here's a more serious critique. For those of you who prefer untempered late-night ire, skip to the original post.
So there you are, if you prefer the drier, caffeinated, ante meridian Dreck. On the other hand, if you want to get in the mood of the original post, read this symphony of moral equivalence I cited ("braying ass") below. I have another 14-hour day ahead of me, so don't expect a reaction to any further comments soon.
Oh, and "Uncle" - you haven't really read Jane that much, have you? Perhaps my calling Schlesinger a "twit" hit you like a ....2X4? It's a weblog, friend.
My co-blogger inquires about my health.
I am fine. I've been quite concerned about our progress in Iraq. You see, Arthur Schlesinger Jr. has hinted that "our intervention will be swift and decisive, and that victory will come with minimal American, British and civilian Iraqi casualties", and a man with his track record has to be taken seriously....as a contra-indicator.
Schlesinger conveniently ignores and reverses several of his own stated principles in this little 'bay of digs' article.
...But let us continue to ask why our government chose to impose this war. The choice reflects a fatal turn in U.S. foreign policy, in which the strategic doctrine of containment and deterrence that led us to peaceful victory during the Cold War has been replaced by the Bush Doctrine of preventive war. The president has adopted a policy of "anticipatory self-defense" that is alarmingly similar to the policy that imperial Japan employed at Pearl Harbor on a date which, as an earlier American president said it would, lives in infamy.First, let's congratulate Schlesinger for realizing that we achieved a peaceful victory during the cold war. This is an entirely different telling from Cycles of American History, in which he lambastes Reagan for being an immoral warmonger and soon to be erased from the pages of history. It doesn't sound like a retraction, nor was it intended as such, but I'll take it.
On to his comparison - we have a more formidable military than during the cold war, and it seems not to have deterred some rather damaging action. Schlesinger has a reputation for understanding the nuances of power politics, but it has somehow escaped him that we are facing an entirely different enemy and weapons that might follow a path that erases their origins, rendering the now 'classical' deterrence employed against the Soviet Union unwieldy. That is why we "impose" a war over the minority of congress who voted against it, the minority of U.S. citizens who support it and the three European nations and sundry other non-members of the coalition of 46 countries imposing alongside us. Pardon the imposition, folks!
As for the Pearl Harbor comparison, let me address my remarks directly to the author: Arty you doddering twit! That crap is beneath you and you know it. If not, I hope you join this braying ass in moral equivalence purgatory, condemned to alternate weeks in 1937 Nanjing and a contemporary U.S. P.O.W. camp in Iraq.
Franklin D. Roosevelt was right, but today it is we Americans who live in infamy. The global wave of sympathy that engulfed the United States after 9/11 has given way to a global wave of hatred of American arrogance and militarism. Public opinion polls in friendly countries regard George W. Bush as a greater threat to peace than Saddam Hussein. Demonstrations around the planet, instead of denouncing the vicious rule of the Iraqi president, assail the United States on a daily basis.The Bush Doctrine converts us into the world's judge, jury and executioner -- a self-appointed status that, however benign our motives, is bound to corrupt our leadership. As John Quincy Adams warned on July 4, 1821, the fundamental maxims of our policy "would insensibly change from liberty to force ... [America] might become the dictatress of the world. She would no longer be the ruler of her own spirit." Already the collateral damage to our civil liberties and constitutional rights, carried out by the religious fanatic who is our attorney general, is considerable -- and more is still to come.
What drove the rush to war? Hussein has a significantly smaller military force than he had in 1990, and he has grown weaker as more weapons have been exposed and destroyed under the United Nations' inspection regime.
The cause of our rush to war was so trivial as to seem idiotic. It was the weather. American troops, our masters tell us, will lose their edge in the Persian Gulf's midday sun; so we had to go to war before summer. This is a reason to rush to war? We have, after all, a professional army -- and a professional army ought not to lose its edge so quickly and easily.
There is a base suspicion that we are going to war against Iraq because that is the only war we can win.
We can't win the war against Al Qaeda because Al Qaeda strikes from the shadows and disappears into them. We can't win a war against North Korea because it has nuclear weapons. Indeed, the danger from North Korea is far more clear, present and compelling than the danger from Iraq, and our different treatment of the two countries is a potent incentive for other rogue states to develop their own nuclear arsenals.
How have we gotten into this tragic fix without searching debate?
No war has been more extensively previewed than this one.
Despite pro forma disclaimers, President Bush's determination to go to war has been apparent from the start. Why then this absence of dialogue? Why the collapse of the Democratic Party? Why let the opposition movement fall into the hands of infantile leftists?
Isn't it amazing that the same guy who thinks lots of Iraq's WMD's were destroyed by inspectors (and I thought inspectors only inspected, silly me) thinks there has been no war debate. I don't know if there's an award for selective perception, but Schlesinger's in the running if there is. He could find someone using the wrong salad fork at a pie-eating contest. Or maybe, as his "rush to war" thesis suggests, he only started noticing our hostility to Iraq a few months ago.
I think the media are greatly to blame. There have been congressional efforts to jump-start a debate. Democratic Sens. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts and Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia have delivered strong and thoughtful speeches opposing the rush to war. They have been largely ignored by the media. Some philanthropist had to pay the New York Times to print the text of Byrd's powerful Feb. 12 speech in a full-page advertisement -- a speech ignored by the media when delivered. The media have played up mass demonstrations at the expense of the reasoned case against the war.
According to polls, a near majority of ill-informed Americans believes Hussein had something to do with the attacks on New York and the Pentagon and resulting massacre of nearly 3,000 innocent people. Hussein is a great villain, but he had nothing to do with 9/11.Except that his regime likely performed the identity-laundering for both 911 and 1993 WTC terrorists. And, you know, stuff like that.
Many, perhaps most, Americans believe a war against Iraq will be a blow against international terrorism. But evidence from the region indicates very plainly that it will make recruitment much easier for Al Qaeda and other murderous gangs.
What should we have done? What if opposition to war had received a fair break from the media? There are two strong arguments for the war -- that Hussein might down the road acquire nuclear weapons, and that the people of Iraq deserve liberation from his monstrous tyranny.Unlike biological and chemical weapons, nuclear arms -- and their production facilities -- are hard to conceal. Inspection, surveillance, tapping telephone calls and espionage could check any nuclear initiative on Hussein's part. He is containable, and he is not immortal.
The more powerful argument is humanitarian intervention. This comes with ill grace from an administration that includes people who showed no objections to Hussein's human rights atrocities when he was at war with Iran. But do we have a moral obligation to fight despicable tyrants everywhere?
Hussein is unquestionably a monster. But does that mean we should forcibly remove him from power?
"Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled," Adams said in the same July 4 speech, "there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy." We are now going abroad to destroy a monster. The aftermath -- how America conducts itself in Iraq and the world -- will provide the crucial test as to whether the war can be justified.
America as the world's self-appointed judge, jury and executioner? "We must face the fact," President John F. Kennedy once said, "that the United States is neither omnipotent nor omniscient -- that we are only 6% of the world's population -- that we cannot impose our will upon the other 94% of mankind -- that we cannot right every wrong or reverse each adversity -- and that therefore there cannot be an American solution to every world problem."I guess that must be why we haven't made the slightest threat of attacking Iran or North Korea.
On a more serious note, I fell ill-equipped to analyze the war thus far (The NY Times apparently does, and it is going incredibly well by their own benchmarks). Desert Fox didn't have a very coherent mission, so I wasn't sure how to evaluate it. I remember in both Desert Storm and the War to oust the Taliban that the initial news of the war was disheartening. Both times we were warned "wait 'til the troops come in", and cautioned about the success of the air campaign. Only after the final ground campaign was moving rapidly did we see how well the foundation had been laid for a victory.
While this action unfolds with boots on the ground immediately, I am sure we are missing much of the foundation-building going on right now. It is quite possible that the real action is in special operations, which are working to weaken Baghdad's ability to coordinate resistance and lay traps for our forces when they arrive. So I think the success or setbacks of this campaign will be made obvious at a later point.
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Jane is one of the most thoughtful and civil host of any blog and I read a lot of them. She uses very civil language so please show her the manners that she accords others.
If you cannot afford to be civil, please don't post. Lets show some manners to the host of the website.
Posted by: UncleDuke on March 24, 2003 1:35 AMJane, I can't figure out what you're trying to communicate other than you're angry at some guy named Schlesinger.
Honestly, how am I supposed to make broad categorical criticisms if I can't make out what you're saying?
Posted by: Matt Johnson on March 24, 2003 1:56 AMJane didn't write this, Mindles H. Dreck did. The name's at the top of the post -- "from the desk of."
Posted by: Andrea Harris on March 24, 2003 3:22 AMGee, given that stirring anti-war sentiment of Schlesinger's, and his endorsement of Adams's speech,I guess he would have been appalled by this warmonger:
". . . fellow citizens, we observe today not a victory of party, but a celebration of freedom —- symbolizing an end, as well as a beginning -— signifying renewal, as well as change. For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our forebears prescribed nearly a century and three quarters ago.
"The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.
"We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans -— born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage -— and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.
"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
"This much we pledge—and more."
Mindles, I think UncleDuke was referring to David's channeling of Dan Aykroyd in the first comment above, not your shocking use of the word "twit" in your post.
Posted by: Sean E on March 24, 2003 9:40 AMArthur, has never quite explained how his
administration allowed 30,000 Soviet combat
troops, and 100 IRBM along with a passel of
tactical nuclear weapons, arrive 90 miles from
our shores. (Hint; the ignorance of exile intelligence reports, & the need to blunt the
what are now seen as valid, the criticisms of
Sen. Keating) Arthur's role in the betrayal of
the Operation Zapata expeditionaries (the first
betrayal of his inaugural address also have some
thing to do with it
mindles, Schlesinger is right, the war debate has been left in the hands not only of "infantile leftists" but also of "infantile politicians". The non-infantile leftists and pols are supporting the war.
Good-old Schlessy has been suffering ever since Reagan (the "war criminal") won the "Cold War".
Posted by: Timmy the Wonder Dog on March 24, 2003 1:09 PMMindles, I was referring to the use of the word slut not the usage of twit. My bad it was late and I did'nt see that the article came from you.
Where is the actual Schlesinger article? I couldn't find a link..
Posted by: David Foster on March 24, 2003 6:04 PMAndrea - my point is still valid. Apologies to Jane though...I was simply overwhelmed by the sheer length of the post to read who wrote it.
Posted by: Matt Johnson on March 24, 2003 6:06 PMYour arguments are dishonest. The problem with the right and the far left, in contrast to that of the liberals, is that you refuse to understand what the serious opposition is saying. Your statements of facts are all based on entirely debateable assumptions, beginning with your insinuation that someone cannot be in favor of Soviet containmnet and also oppose some of Reagan's policies in the particular, and ending with "if we don't kill Saddam now then one of our major cities will one day be a crator." As much as people praise you for your honesty and integrity, I too often find it lacking.
I favor US containment policies in Europe but opposed are disgustingly immoral support of Salvadoran death squads that laid waste to villages and their children. That makes me neither inconsistent nor a hypocrite.
I oppose Saddam's rule, and I opposed US support for Saddam since the time I was politically aware, because he is a sociopath. I also oppose waging war against a nation that might have enough WMDs to perhaps us in the indefinite future, perhaps five or ten years in the future. These positions are neither inconsistent nor hypocritical.
If you were interested in honest debate you would address serious arguments in a serious manner.
Posted by: Amitava Mazumdar on March 25, 2003 4:51 PMMore:
Point 1: The point about Japan you use conveniently to feign outrage, as does everyone when it comes to historical comparisons. Despite your insinuation, Schlesinger was not tarring Bush the crime of Korean comfort slavery. He was making the very valid point that under international law, Japan had a better claim to preemptive action against the United States than we do now against Iraq. We were actually openly arming its enemies prior to Pearl Harbor. This is a serious argument that requires a response other than "But, but, Japan is eeeevil!" Second, Schlesinger was making a reference to Bobby Kennedy's alleged refusal to allow his brother to become a Tojo as a result of a preemptive attack against Cuba. A wise choice in retrospect. I wonder if Curtis LeMay feigned outrage at the comparison.
2. Overdemonizing Ashcroft is a difficult thing to do. You can deny that his Justice department is guilty of overreaching, but many, many people -- on the right and left -- disagree. Secret wiretaps, threats to examine our reading habits, "voluntary" interviews, sharing foreign intelligence with criminal authorities, registration based on national origin, trying US citizens in military tribunals, and listenting in on attorney-client meetings have properly frightened the civil rights community, on the right and the left. The prospect of Patriot II and the proposed unreviewable power to revoke citizenship means our fears of Ashcroft are well-founded. You may not have privacy expectations, but I do, and I cherish them.
3. Only the ill-informed say we're rushing to war? Please. Your condescension is a poor substitute for argument. Rush to war refers specifically to the administrations decision weeks after 9/11 to begin a war of aggression against Iraq even though Iraq had done nothing to merit such immediate attention. The year-and-a-half in the interim is a result of Tony Blair's and Colin Powell's arguments to at least try get the UN to go along for political reasons. But there was never any question as to what policy the UN was to go along with: either war or get out of our way. There was a rush to decide on war, and it occurred back in November of 2001.
4. Spurious motives. I don't believe this is about oil. But a lot of people do. Because all of Bush's evidence as to the immediate danger that Saddam poses has turned out to be bullshit.
5. Maybe he overlooks military actions of prior adminsitrations because he's not writing a friggin' dissertation. It is true that the US has acted alone and without SC resolution before. Some of those were bad ideas, some were not. The question is whether those actions were legitimate in the eyes of the world. Kosovo and Bosnia were, both in the eyes of our European allies and the Muslim world.
6. Deterrence is a complicated issue which you also address poorly. Saddam was deterrable prior to the Gulf War. But we failed to deter him. WTC attack is not deterrable because it was committed by fanatical terrorists, of which Saddam is not one. Because we haven't absolutely succeeded in stopping Saddam from attempting to develop WMDs is not an argument against deterrence, so long as we have retarded or prevented progress or deterred him from using or deploying such weapons. See Syria and Iran. Non-sovereign, unattributed warfare has nothing to do with Iraq because it is a sovereign state with no evidence -- until Bush surely inspired it by his jingoism -- of cooperation with alQaeda.
7. JFK. Great -- easy swipe, eh? Everything else about JFK may have been a disaster, but his handling of the most dangerous crisis of the Cold War demonstrate true leadership. The neo-cons of his time wanted to act preemptively, arguing that the sacrifice would be worth it. He didn't trust their calculation, and he was right.
Your emphasis on snideness and condescension is a disservice to your reputation as being honest.
Posted by: Amitava Mazumdar on March 25, 2003 5:56 PMCongratulations. Your take down of Schlesinger is a great piece of work. It is necessary to take on these infantile arguments because the uninformed media elites are apt to believe, without examination, anything uttered by a "respectable" academic.
Posted by: jimbo on March 26, 2003 3:24 AMComments are Closed.