...and these are not for the squeamish:
Farris Salman is one of the last victims of Mr. Hussein's rule. His speech is slurred because he is missing part of his tongue. Black-hooded paramilitary troops, the Fedayeen Saddam, run by Mr. Hussein's eldest son, Uday, pulled it out of his mouth with pliers last month, he said, and sliced it off with a box cutter. They made his family and dozens of his neighbors watch.
A functioning constitutional democracy with respect for the rule of law may be a lofty and difficult goal for Iraq. On the other hand, why is it supposedly inevitable, as one of my projectile commenters stated recently, that the U.S. will fail to leave Iraq better off?
Posted by Mindles H. Dreck at April 24, 2003 9:40 AM | TrackBack | Technorati inbound linksJane,
It's not about Iraq and you know it. It is all about the evil which is the USA. Nothing this country touches can ever be better off -- BY DEFINITION! Bush is evil. The mindless fools in flyover country have been deluded by patriotic fervor into falling for the evil machinations of the military-industrial complex.
Bush is worse than Saddam. It's all about oil! The US is all about empire! The US wants to kill innocent women and children! Free Mumia! Drugs, sex and rock and roll! Never trust anyone over 30! Make love, not war! Give peace a chance ...
.... please turn tape over and press play.
Isn't it amazing how the tape holds up after all usage without even a scratch? I'll bet we will hear the same tape 40 years from now.
A functioning constitutional democracy with respect for the rule of law may be a lofty and difficult goal for Iraq.
Atrocities in Iraq are no different in their inhumanity than anything committed in and around, say, Germany or Japan between the mid-1930s and 1945. Or the East European satellites during the Cold War. The grim nature of authoritarian rule should be the least daunting aspect, really, as all newborn modern democracies have been and will be wrenched from tyranny and horror.
Only half-measures and compromises will needlessly complicate the process of rejuvenation; doubt is our enemy.
stan, re-read the heading. Mindles issued this post, not Jane.
"....why is it supposedly inevitable, as one of my projectile commenters stated recently, that the U.S. will fail to leave Iraq better off?"
What the heck is a "projectile commenter"? I'm a shooter, and I'm leaving a comment. Do I qualify?
If so, then put me down as a ProCom who disagrees with the guy who thinks that the US will leave Iraq worse off.
James
Well, Remeber Mindless, People like Howard Dean seem to think that a Nation without government provided services is just as bad a government sanctioned gang rape, torture, and murder. Religous people running the government? Heaven forbid! Thats like (or worse) then dragging your wife and sister out in the middle of the night so you and your neighborhood can watch them get raped and disfigured because you said somehting that could be constructed as critical of the regime.
Can't you see the similarities!?
A "functioning constitutional democracy with respect for the rule of law" is easy, Hitler could have had one of those.
Functioning? In what way? What kind of laws? Is democracy (granted you don't mean unlimited majority rule) even a value in abstract - or is it the protection of individual rights that matters? A constitutional democracy does not = freedom, and does not = good. What kind of constitution?
... Democracy, democracy, democracy they cheered! Until they got it, and realized that evil can be elected ...
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Stan: No, in 40 years it will change to "free Mumia's bones." ;-)
We're America. Should we be using "better than Saddam" as a measuring stick?
Adam,
I dunno.
Considering the number of Left demonstrators who appeared to believe Saddam more than Bush, who believed that the US would kill more people than Saddam did, who STILL believe that the US is worse for Iraq than Saddam, I'd say that this might be setting the bar too HIGH for some.
If the comparison is even in play, it does not bode well for us.
Adam,
That depends on whom you ask.
Look, do you think there is any whit of basis for comparing Bush to Hitler? Yet, that sort of tripe appeared regularly on the part of the Left (despite vociferous denials).
What in the world makes anyone think that a US Prez standing up for US interests WON'T generate the same sort of thing? This goes back to Lincoln, and his observation about pleasing all of the people all of the time.
Comparisons of us to Iraq? At least one foreign minister appeared on the verge of comparing us to Nazi Germany. But if we're interested in making sure Syria doesn't say bad things about us, perhaps we're in BIGGER trouble? (Amusingly, it was de Villepin who stopped him from uttering whatever was on his mind.)
Not to say that such comments weren't also forthcoming from members of Schroeder's cabinet. And that it came from Germans can either be seen as us being in trouble, or them being debased. Yer pick.
But somehow, I'd venture that I and many others slept just fine, despite knowing that German justice ministers and Syrian foreign ministers think we're Nazis, Ba'athists, or just plain American cowboys.
bush is evil.
the florida election was rigged.
http://home.earthlink.net/~kgann/Florida_electors.html
http://www.hermes-press.com/Voting/vote_rig.htm
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15408
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/nov2000/fox-n17.shtml
they plan to rig the national election.
http://www.oilempire.us/2004.html
http://www.oilempire.us/elections.html
bush knew about 911 in time to prevent it but chose not to
(this completed the ku, killing dozens of bush camp enemies)
bush has shot down every environmental measure brought to his
attention, including erasure and censure of EPA documents.
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