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I think the article you wanted to link to is Vaccines against drug abuse (NOT!).

Well, I guess the answer to the question "Are drug addictive or do addictive prone people take drugs?" will finally become clear.

I would wager that vaccinated people will take a different drug.

I got nothin at the link. I know nothing about drug 'vaccines' but I do know there have been alcohol antagonists like Antabuse(sp) that makes those who take it sick with very minimal exposure to alcohol. It hasnt had much success. I also know there are antiopiates that keep you from getting high from opiates, but they havent had much success either. I dont think it would be to smart to get vaccinated against opiates, it would be a real bitch to attempt to manage the pain of say, stomach cancer, if you have been vaccinated to make opiates ineffective.

My instinct says this may help in limited crcumstances. Most relapses happen before the addict can work the twelve steps; relapses tend to occur in the first year of recovery. The immunotherapy works for three months.

Addiction is said to be an obsession of the mind and an allergy of the body. Once the addict takes the first hit, a monster is awoken within. If the immunotherapy can keep that monster at bay, the addict may have better odds.

Of course, IMO, the addict's only long term solution is a spiritual awakening.

Addiction is a word thats used far to often these days. There are only two common drugs a person can become physically addicted to, alcohol and opiates. It takes a whole lot of uninterrupted drinking for alcohol to become metabolically needed by the body. Opiates on the other hand can be physically addictive in a couple of days of use, depending on the person and the drug. The only way to quit doing anything is through will. I have to say I find the idea of the belief in the supernatural as a 'cure' for addiction to be about as useful as say a liniment for sore joints, it will only work for those who do not realize its value is only as a placebo.

An effective vaccine is a win-win for both "conservatives" and "liberals". It will delight prohibitionists of both stripes.

Those who fly the "liberal" colors can assure themselves that mandatory vaccination will protect the benighted masses from the ravages of "drug abuse", any use of any unmandated drug at any time.

Those who fly the "conservative" colors can assure themselves that it will protect the social order from the crimes and indolence of "drug abusers", those who dare ingest any substance of which they disapprove.

Mandatory vaccination satisfies the core goal prohibitionists share with their communist and islamacist brethren: totally enforced adherence to their world view, with all opportunity for anyone to even perceive another foreclosed from childhood.

When vaccination evasion is outlawed, only outlaws will remain unvaccinated.

I, for one, welcome our new THX-1138 overlords. Blessings of the state. Blessings of the masses.

Naloxone is an opiate blocker that jams up the receptors for (the most common) opiates. If you take it while not under the influence, it will cause pain, because your body normally produces a small amount of opiate-type chemicals all the time. Naloxone is used to combat opiate overdoses (sometimes) and is used in those "1-day (heroin) detox" programs you might see in the back of the weekly free newspapers in your local city.

The reason Antabuse doesn't work well is that the people who take it have discovered that if you are drunk when you take it, it doesn't work at all. My mother was a reluctant 12-stepper before booze finally killed her. So I saw and heard about this and other system-gaming behavior while she was still alive.

If the person wants to quit, these things will help them. If they don't want to quit, they will continue to game the system. If you have not been around an addict, you have zero clue how much they twist their life around getting the next dose of their stuff.

Don't ask me why folks become addicts, I don't know. I still can't understand it even after being around some heavy addicts (that my mother met in rehab).

These vaccines will need to become very cheap before fub's evil overlords can take over. But if it does become pennies per dose, I can imagine some scandal down the road where someone adds it to the ventilation at the office building they own, so all their workers become properly dosed. I can also imagine that the justification will be that it lowers insurance premiums, just like the "zero tolerance" drug use policies and screening that many businesses practice.

Im all for providing people with ways to deal with habits they want to break. From reading the article I could not determine if these vaccinations were near permenent like traditional vaccines. If so, being vaccinated for opiates really would put a person at risk for untreatable future pain.

Another way to provide people with options in dealing with a habit is to legalize narcotics. The way methadone clinics succeed is by providing cheap, always available opiates to addicts so they can hold down jobs rather than constantly looking for dope full time. There have been many hugely successful addicts like Rush Limbaugh, Freud, K Mullis, all the 'beat' writers, etc. This isnt to say success is likely going to happen for the full on addict, but it does add to the argument that dopers are not across the board failures. Further, when you consider alcohol and tobbaco kill more people than all the illegal drugs combined, the prohibition of the now illegal drugs makes little sense.

Begbee, I didn't have to follow the links very far to find out that the shots are only good for three months. That's 89 days too many if you're hit by a truck tomorrow, but it's not permanent.

And it means that vaccinating the whole grammar school against drug abuse is just a pipe dream.

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