Brian Beutler is encouraged by the debate between Hillary and Barack about foriegn policy, but disgusted by the media reaction:
Certainly what you're hearing from Clinton and Obama is a healthier debate than what you're hearing from journalists. Clinton's basic position is that Obama has, by announcing his intent to engage enemy leaders, proven that he's too naive to set the country's foreign policy. Obama, on the other hand, contends that Clinton's foreign policy ideas are too similar to George Bush's for comfort. As far as I'm concerned, I think Obama's argument is basically correct and Hillary's argument is totally nuts, but in any case both arguments are pretty close facsimiles to what the two candidates actually believe about foreign policy.The press, on the other hand, is doing exactly what you'd expect. Conservatives are saying exactly what you'd expect--that Hillary's correct, and that diplomacy is bad and that nobody will ever support Obama's idea. David Brooks wrote, "He continues to attract huge crowds and huge money, but he also continues to make rookie mistakes, like saying he’d talk with Hugo Chávez." Charles Krauthammer wrote,
For Barack Obama, it was strike two. And this one was a right-down-the-middle question from a YouTuber in Monday night's South Carolina debate:
"Would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during
the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else,
with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea?""I would," responded Obama.
Liberals, of course, responded as they always do--by neglecting to evaluate the merits of the two positions and offering instead a maddeningly typical meta-analysis of the argument--one that defaults with 100 percent regularity to the idea that only hawkish ideas seem serious.
Matthew Yglesias concurs:
There are a lot of ways in which the progressive punditocracy is more admirable than the conservative one, but this really and truly isn't one. The candidates, as Brian says, are for the first time having an exchange that at least seems to reveal something about their approach to foreign policy and ideas about how the United States of America should relate to other countries. This would be a good time for progressive journalists to try to provide their audience with arguments about who's right, arguments that, if persuasive, could shift the direction of public policy. The amateur-hour political analysis is silly -- as is always the case, Obscure Political Controversy X will prove politically damaging to Candidate A if and only if the press gives Candidate A negative press coverage as a result of OPC-X.
It's not really my business, since I don't think anyone will ever describe me as progressive or (outside of Britain), liberal, but I don't find this surprising, or even necessarily bad. Progressives/Liberals are possibly on the cusp of a political resurgence. It seems perfectly natural that they should spend more time worrying about how to cement their political coalition, then what to do when they have power. This has massive drawbacks, of course, since it leads to a lot of flailing when you finally get your hands on the reins. And it's maddening if you're the kind of journalist who cares more about policy than the political horse-race. But if you don't get the power, you'll be left with a shiny set of policy prescriptions gathering dust on your mantle.
In other words, you could end up as a libertarian.
Posted by Jane Galt at July 27, 2007 10:11 AM | TrackBack | Technorati inbound linksSo, what what does Beutler have against Brooks writing that he'd meet with Chavez? Taken in context from the question, he said 'Yes.'
It seems to me that Beutler (and Yglesias) has his political leanings and lets them show. What is revealing is that he has a problem with Hillary's stated approach in the 'debate,' whereas he doesn't mention the jumping bean flip flops she makes, as expediency requires.
If the reins of power they currently have in the Senate and the House is any indication, they're going to flail around quite a bit, even rein on their parade, if they get total power.
By the way, I'm not from Britain, and if you're sensitive about that topic, I apologize ;-p
Due to the war in Iraq, Americans want to hear about diplomacy. If Obama was elected I suspect the usual political calculus would come into play on what nations were visited. But he has no real chance of winning the nomination.
not real position...
So you mean that Obama just parrotted whatever the questioner supposedly wanted to hear right back at them? And we're supposed to be ok with that that Obama's hasn't even thought through what to do on a foreign policy level when it comes to working with countries that activately encourage people to shout "death to America"?
Obama stuck is foot in his mouth because he wants to act like all of the sudden once he comes into town diplomacy will be the way things are handled. As if Bush and every president before him just said F-U to the world.
Actually he never said that but people get a kick out of portreying him that way. If Bush can get a coalition, he does. If he can't and he believes his actions are right then he goes with as much support as he can get.
I'd prefer that in a President any day to this wishywashy "diplomacy" which appears to be another way of saying, "If you don't approve of what we're doing then we won't do it".
What cdub said. It's a matter of context isn't it. You can't just say 'diplomacy is the way to go' and feel all good about yourself for being 'cleverer than GWB'. It's not the talking but who it is you're proposing to talk to. How long is it going to take for some people to figure out that talking to I'madinnerjacket, Chavez, Hamas, and all the rest of the madmen of the world is just as foolish as it was when Chamberlain travelled to Berchtesgaden to talk with Hitler. That's why Hillary was correct to call Obama naive.
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