January 08, 2003

silhouette3.JPG From the desk of Jane Galt:

Via Mark Kleiman: lashon hara. We'd all be better off if we didn't engage in it. But then what the hell would we talk about?

Posted by Jane Galt at January 8, 2003 10:53 AM | TrackBack | Technorati inbound links
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Maybe you can make a Krugman exception?

Posted by: GT on January 8, 2003 11:04 AM

What if one's lashon hara adresses another's lashon hara? Geez, there's got to be some way to rationalize this!

Posted by: Will Allen on January 8, 2003 12:08 PM

I think you're trying to fill the niche left unfilled by the as-yet-unstarted rabbi blog I mentioned last week.

Posted by: Dr. Manhattan on January 8, 2003 12:25 PM

Wow, never have I seen such a detailed scientific analysis on gossip. Yeah, I know the ramifications in public life, but it's still gossip.

Posted by: TonyB on January 8, 2003 01:20 PM

TonyB, economists are more nitpicky about social interactions than rabbis, and more contrarian!

Reputation: Studies in the Voluntary Elicitation of Good Conduct

Posted by: Neel Krishnaswami on January 8, 2003 02:29 PM

Ok Neel, I hope I didn't offend and I am not familiar with the book you link to. But the distinction would seem to be that, regardless of the hard statistics economists provide; interpreting those statistics is really the field of social interaction. Rabbis would seem to have different types of interaction with which to concern themselves.

Posted by: TonyB on January 8, 2003 02:59 PM

No offense was taken (or intended to be given) -- I was just making a joke about the minutiae that economists study!

I read this book a few years ago, and it's a book about how reputation is used to maintain social norms. And gossip is an essential tool for transmitting and building a reputation: one article in the book was an anthropological study of how crime rates in a housing project varied based on the strength gossip networks among the inhabitants. Credit reports can also be considered a form of reputation, as well -- it amuses me to think of Experian being condemned by God for violating the prohibitions on lashon hara. :)

(Of course, social norms can be bad, too: surveys of the South in the 1950s consistently showed that a modest majority of the white population didn't like discrimination, but was afraid of the public condemnation that would follow saying so in public....)

Posted by: Neel Krishnaswami on January 8, 2003 04:47 PM

An interesting sideline is that gossip possibly replaced grooming in our early ancestors. Primate grooming is fine for social interaction, but it limits the size of the group to about 150 or so. Gossip takes less energy, less time, and can scale up to orders of magnitude unreachable by any other means. Gossip: It's what keeps us together.

Posted by: Frank C on January 8, 2003 08:11 PM

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