Dan Froomkin has had an idea:
Bloggers Unite to Fact-Check the DebateAnd here's another way to make sure that the substance of Bush and Kerry's comments are fully and quickly assessed.
Some key political bloggers, who have so effectively proven their ability to hold the press accountable, will tonight be posting their own debate fact-checks -- and will be asking their readers to find and document substantively incorrect statements by the candidates, as well.
I've already talked to several bloggers on both sides of the political spectrum and they're on board. I urge others in the blogging community to join in the experiment. Just make sure you e-mail me at froomkin@washingtonpost.com so I know you're out there.
In tomorrow's column, I'll link to the bloggers who are actively fact-checking and I'll try to highlight some of the best and best-documented posts.
I'll be watching the debates with the Galt clan this evening, and if I find any egregious errors, I'll post about it. Meanwhile, the thread is open to the blogless: if you see errors, post 'em here for Mr Froomkin to read.
Posted by Jane Galt at September 30, 2004 06:11 PM | TrackBack | Technorati inbound linksBush claimed: "We've upheld the doctrine that said if you harbor a terrorist, you're equally as guilty as the terrorist."
Mistake: "The terrorist backgrounds of Posada's three comrades-in-arms are as well documented as their leader's. Guillermo Novo once fired a bazooka at the U.N. building; in February 1979, he was convicted and sentenced to 40 years for conspiracy in the 1976 assassination of former Chilean diplomat Orlando Letelier and his American colleague, Ronni Moffitt, in Washington. (His conviction was subsequently vacated on a legal technicality.) Gaspar Jimenez was convicted and imprisoned in Mexico in 1977 for murdering a Cuban consulate official; he was released by authorities in 1983. Pedro Remon received a 10-year sentence in 1986 for conspiring to kill Cuba's ambassador to the United Nations in 1980. These are violent men. Panamanian prosecutors said they had planned to detonate 33 pounds of explosives while Castro was speaking at a university in Panama. Had they not been intercepted by the authorities, the blast not only would have killed the Cuban president but quite possibly hundreds of others gathered to hear him speak during the inter-American summit." cite
Country they're currently being harbored by? None other than the US.
Bush claimed: "The A.Q. Khan network has been brought to justice."
Mistake. It hasn't.
Bush claimed: "And that's what people are seeing now is happening in Afghanistan. Ten million citizens have registered to vote. It's a phenomenal statistic."
It is indeed, especially as Afghanistan only has a voting age population of about 9.5 million. (cite)
Posted by: Jesurgislac on October 1, 2004 11:19 AMBush claimed: "Let me first tell you that the best way for Iraq to be safe and secure is for Iraqi citizens to be trained to do the job. And that's what we're doing. We've got 100,000 trained now,..."
Twenty thousand, last I heard.
Kerry said: "Secondly, when we went in, there were three countries: Great Britain, Australia and the United States."
Bush claimed: "Well, actually, he forgot Poland."
Well, actually, Poland hadn't contributed troops to the Iraqi invasion, only to the Iraqi occupation.
And last I heard, Poland was planning to pull its 2500 troops out.
Contra Kerry, the NYC subway wasn't closed during the GOP convention
Posted by: Rod on October 1, 2004 09:08 PMA co-blogger and I have started a trio of threads on debate facts.
1) A list of the facts under consideration. http://www.deadparrots.net/archives/politics/0410debate_fact_check_master_list.html
2) A detailed examination of of Kerry's assertions from the trivial -- that Dean Rusk showed DeGaulle photos during the Cuban Missile Crisis -- to the important such as the discussion on Iranian sanctions, the $200b, or the 4-7 Nuclear weapons we only THINK North Korea has.
http://www.deadparrots.net/archives/politics/0410fact_checking_kerry_debate_1_2004_election.html
3) A detailed examination of Bush's assertions.
It's a work in progress, of course, but there's lot's of good information, some of which backs the candidates up, some of which doesn't.
Posted by: Victor on October 2, 2004 05:52 PMSome key political bloggers, who have so effectively proven their ability to hold the press accountable, will tonight be posting their own debate fact-checks -- and will be asking their readers to find and document substantively incorrect statements by the candidates, as well.So blogging is a form of "open source" news? Posted by: LGL on October 2, 2004 07:31 PM
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