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That's where he and Judith scrubbed their clothes together in a heavy alkaline solution. That's right! It's not the sex, it's they lyeing!

Oops! "the lyeing."

Mumble mumble mumble.

We Dems will say something in his defense when Republicans acknowledge that nominating and championing a lying, corrupt, abusive, thoroughly dishonest, political hack with mob ties to safeguard our nation's border reflects poorly on how seriously the Republicans take the issue of homeland security.

And fifty lashes to the first Republican who whines about Clinton.

No, we're not going to cry that he's being persecuted.

The fact that he is a serial adulterer, pervert, and got his jollies while overlooking sacred ground is no defense to his likely criminal activities.

ooooh, lashes...me first, me first.

On the other hand "nominating and championing a lying, corrupt, abusive, thoroughly dishonest, political hack" for president is a selfless and noble act.

Regards,
Neil

Oh c'mon. The fact that they didn't vet the nomination should say more considering the laundry list of "lyes" and abuses of power coming out now.
Abuse of police power, accusations of abuse of power in Iraq, possible mob ties, and...and questionable temperament for homeland security. Dear god, an illegal alien nanny? Is this the kind of man we want overlooking homeland security?
Okay, that last one was kind of silly, but you get the point.
Let's not make this about Clinton because it's not similar at all.

And how could I have forgotten "The fact that he is a serial adulterer, pervert, and got his jollies" with a subordinate in their place of employment.

On the other hand "nominating and championing a lying, corrupt, abusive, thoroughly dishonest, political hack" for president is a selfless and noble act.

Provided he first served as Governor of Texas, yes.

"Abuse of police power"

See Troopergate,

"accusations of abuse of power in Iraq"

See Sudan bombing, re Wag the Dog; Frank Rich pardoned, now known to have benefited from Oil For Food etc

"possible mob ties"

See Dan Lasater et al

and questionable temperament

See assault on Dick Morris, Kathleen Willey, Elizabeth Ward-Gracen...

Ho hum. No, it's not about Clinton and Democrats make a SERIOUS mistake in not... what is the phrase? Oh YEAH! Just MOVE ON, buster!

Yeah, the mob ties, lack of qualifications (just got finished college - congrats, Bernie!), shitty job in Iraq, etc. aside, the sex should have nothing to do with it. That's between him and his wives.

I mean "wife."

I hope Ms. Regan, was classy enough to knock some of the dust off him before they got jiggy.

Wow, NY Times Columnist Frank Rich needed a pardon? And the Times hired him/kept him on? Damn librul meejah!

Sheesh...this was just pathetic. Are you really so deluded that you cannot think of any other reason why Bernie's name should never have been submitted in the first place?

If it were really about the sex, I'd defend Bernie to the hilt, since an extra-marital affair has nothing to do with his abilities or his qualifications. Since there were, at last count, something like a dozen damn good reasons to disqualify Bernie, the sex just doesn't enter into it.

Oh, and by the way, Jane, did you happen to notice how Bernie actually got that little love nest of his?

Republicans are by nature unable to comprehend that it's about the corruption, mob ties, and incompetence rather than the sex, because of the four, sex is the only one that offends them.

Wait no longer, Jane. You'll find thorough agreement from all over the Democratic blogosphere.

The affair is unconscionable, base, and vile, but is ultimately not really the public's business and should be given only a cursory treatment in the press at best.

The fact that the republicans care more about his bedroom antics than his other crimes against state and morality, like misappropriating real estate allocated for 9/11 rescue workers, a lifetime of corrupt politics, and his atrocious performance in Iraq with its consequent cost in American and Iraqi lives, shows just how sad their true motivations are. (An example: Keric spent $1.2 billion to train soldiers in Jordan despite offers from Europe to pay for the training. Nothing like funneling taxpayer money to your favorite cronies.)

They would have put this creep in charge of our nation's security, if it weren't that he slept around on his wife. Bad policy and corruption mean nothing to them: only the scarlet letter is enough to remove a man from office. The GOP's mindset is so thorougly obsessed with sex these days it scares me.

Pathetic.

Ev

I'm not a democrat, but I think this is pretty disingenious of Jane. I'll say right out front, that I think the sex is the least of this scumball's offenses. Happy Jane?

But, boy is the Schadenfreude delicious when you realize his ground-zero love-monkey was so publicly sanctimonious about Monicagate and did a lot of public sighing and moaning about how immoral adultery and Clinton is (atrios has a nice summary) my favorite being:

"Let me tell you something, my father has never cheated on my mother, my brothers have never treated cheated on their wives."

Now she can add

"I, on the other hand, used to screw a married man at the edge of a mass grave of the worst terror attack in US history."

Paybacks (and karma) are absolute hell.

It's not the sex, it's the hypocrisy.

Er, to say nothing of the fact that he wasn't qualified for the job, had ties to NJ mobsters, spied on people in Saudi Arabia, fucked up in Iraq ...

I'll give it to you Jane- and Neil. The sex is his and his wife's business- not me, don't care.
And doing it in an apartment donated to the city is more disgusting than the oval office???? To whom???

Corruption, greed- allegations about that dogged the Clinton's too. Never saw it proved there and never saw it proved here.

Now ineptness in his previous government appointed position...that gives me pause. At least Clinton had proven himself as a successful governor before he was nominated for his position.

Don't pardon Frank Rich; impeach him!

Hmmm...

How unusually quiet the FOUR HORSEMEN have been on this issue? Robertson, Falwell, Dobson and Jones.. Or maybe we should give them time..

look, we republicans should be all over keric for his sleeping around on his wife. we are the party of values, after all. let's crucify him over this. the sanctity of marriage must be defended.

Ok, ok, ok. I'm indignant at the Republicans senselessly persecuting this man over a harmless extramarital affair.

You can now resume whatever it is you're doing.

Duh. Why would Democrats want to step into a Republican circular firing squad? Don't hold your breath, sweetie.

"Corruption, greed- allegations about that dogged the Clinton's too. Never saw it proved there and never saw it proved here."

Clinton wasn't named by the president to a cabinet position. Clinton was running for office, and he won. Twice. He was impeached for behavior far more trivial than the things Kerik is accused of.

Jane,

I appreciate the jab at Democrats who don't defend Kerik for his extramarital affair. However, no one should step up to defend BK given his siccing homicide detectives to harass TV producers after his girlfriend lost her cellphone. That's not about sex; it ventures into that flip side of the Clinton years -- abuse of power.

Robert

i'll defend kerik for getting his freak on! i had sex with a mobster magainze publisher on the blueprints for the new 9/11 memorial while snorting coke off his big black cock.

I'm starting to see why you guys import your national politicians, ahem, Hillary, ahem Senator John F. Kennedy. And where do you get these powerful women who fall for the STUPIDEST lines?!? Loveless marriage. LOL.

"Seems we've found the real reason for Bernard Kerik's abrupt departure..." Real reason? This is a joke right Ms. Galt? Ha Ha.

If you think the affair is the "real" reason Kerik didn't get the job then your still leaving cookies for Santa Claus and looking for the bunny every April.

Great doggie picture by the way.

When does the impeachment of Kerik begin?!?

Stupid stupid woman

And I can't wait until people stop using "the democrats this" or "the republicans that" in asinine ways.

1. They're aggregates. Implicit to any talk or insinuation about aggregates as a whole commits the informal logical fallacy of converse accident.
2. lol A=A lol
3. What is publically perceived is what comes through the media. The national media covers a marginal amount of stories. Your exposure to this marginal array of stories is in turn marginal (unless you never leave the couch and are always watching CNN). If any of The Democrats start making these noises, you'd never know it. Probably for good reason -- there's no way for you to know it.

Since republicans won't fire someone for mere gross incompetence and corruption, but will fire someone for sleeping around, I hope Rummy has been getting something on the side and we can finally be rid of that loser.

(Though I fear Bush would dig up someone even more staggeringly inept. . . Alan Keyes for SecDef!)

"I'm starting to see why you guys import your national politicians, ahem, Hillary, ahem Senator John F. Kennedy"

Senator John F. Kennedy was a Senator from Massachusetts, the state of his residence, and his birth. Sorry, dude, you are thinking of Bobby. Idiot.

Shorter Jane Galt:

"Who needs moral values when you have moral equivalence?"

Idiot blog post. Thanks for nothing.

"And doing it in an apartment donated to the city is more disgusting than the oval office???? To whom???"

Uh, most people, probably. The oval office is the house of the person elected to live there, and they do lots of things there you wouldn't do in most government buildings, including have sex with their wives. This was an apartment donated to the city so that ground zero rescue workers could get some rest. If you've ever been to the Little Church That Stood across the street (St. Paul's) and talked to the people who succored rescue workers there you'll know that many people consider those places secondary sacred ground.

Matthew Yglesias said it best though he doesn't seem to have left a trackback. This isn't about the sex, it's about the cheating of the city.

This isn't about sex, never was. It's about abuse of his authority, cheating the city, and corruption.

Now that we have met your challenge, Ms. Galt... We'd just like you to admit that this guy wasn't qualified to be a gate watcher at the zoo, much less Homeland security director. When I see that, then I shall know you aren't a tool.

(snarkiness) It would seems that Kerik has some sort of complex about sex. (/snarkiness)

http://www.wonkette.com/politics/personalities/index.php#update-bernard-kerik-cop-statesman-mack-daddy-027778

Maybe Jane Galt has a fetish about Democrats?

Seriously, this isn't merely a dumb post.

This is "so dumb it would be mocked at the Free Republic" stupid.

Then again, shameless partisan hacks rarely have anything of value to contribute. So, we should be grateful when they inadvertently provide the rational world with a bit of amusement.

So, has Megan explicitly denied having an affair with Bernard Kerik yet?

Just wondering.

[whistles]

Probably the stupidest post of the week. Jane stick your head out of your "bleep" long enough to see that this affair is by Republicans, for Republicans and about Republicans.

Don't like it ? Switch parties.

Note... comments section = troll bait.

We are going to establish a 527 group so's you kook libgressives can deal with this situation. We'll call it moveOver.org...

Jane, I often disagree with you but have to admit your arguments are well thought out and sometimes hard to refute. But here you are being disingenuous. Please. This is not about sex and you know it as well as everyone else.
-Bush made a bad decision because he goes by instinct and does not respect facts or anyone who disagrees
-his staff is full of yes men because it is the only way to keep their jobs
-now all the Republicans are embarrassed and trying to make it about Clinton (per the usual)

Oh you all *say* that your reason for not liking Kerik is his abuse of power and your belief that he has violated the law, but I know your REAL REASON. IT'S SEX! IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SEX! YOU MAY SAY IT'S ABUSE OF POWER, AND YOU MAY EVEN THINK THAT, BUT AS YOUR OPPONENT, I KNOW YOUR MOTIVATIONS BETTER THAN YOU!!!

I must have missed something. Which Republicans are "persecuting" Mr. Kerik for his affairs?

The fact that conservatives still consider the Sudan Missile Attacks as a "Wag the Dog" abuse of power shows their willful blindness. THE TARGET OF THE SUDAN ATTACK WAS OSAMA BIN LADEN. The fact is that the Republicans were focused more on Clinton's dick than OBL's tail at the time. In my book, that is a text book case of "asleep at the wheel" negligence.

People, get your heads out of your asses. You wanted President Clinton to fail, recall. The consequence of your bitterness has now been visited on the heads of the 9-11 and Gulf War II widows. Never wish for a president to fail; we get stuck in messes like we are now.

Saheli, as it happens, I worked at Ground Zero for a year. St Paul's is sacred ground because it's . . . er . . . sacred ground. Y'know, consecrated to God. On the other hand, very few people consider the chinese restaurant where the Red Cross set up to be sacred ground, or any of the host of other auxiliary places where people from the site slept, ate, or [cough] whatever.

Self parody is rampant on this thread.

Jane, I find this blog too stimulating to enjoy watching it implode over one regrettable entry. Please don't dig the hole any deeper by pretending that you've actually won by getting a reaction to your overreaction.

To push the Clinton analogy further, the best strategy would be to move on.

Oy vey, people. Get a grip. Or at least get all the facts. The best way to do that is to go to the source: Bernard Kerik explains exactly what happened.

The Kerik/Regan affair is not analogous to the Clinton/Lewninski affair. In the latter, an aggressive flirt, after a great deal of trying, managed to get to third base with Clinton. In the former, Regan and Kerik, like much of the 90s Republican leadership and their mistresses, were hitting home runs on a regular basis. If Regan, like Lewinsky, had been into saving souvenirs of semen/love, she wouldn't have a stained dress in her closet, but a pillowcase stuffed with all the panties she wore back to her office. But then, when you're getting it on a regular basis rather than in an unwilled and unrepeated instance, souvenirs probably don't mean nearly so much.

Y'all, it was a throwaway line; there's something wrong if it's generating this much emotional energy. Why so defensive? Doth the lady protest to much?

Poppycock. This is mere post-facto ass covering on your part. Grow up.

The Republicans should just be thankful that they now have another incompetent that can be the proud receipient of the Medal of Freedom next year. (If it turns out Kerik is actually corrupt; does that make him more qualified for the Medal?) They also have a very strong contender for the "unwarranted pardon" award at the end of Dubya's second term.

Be cheerful, be optimistic, it is the Christmas season. Look forward to what the next four years will bring.

Hoo Yah!

I think it's fair to ask Dems to insist Bernie's affair is private. Just as soon as you hear Rebublicans condemning it.

(By the way, yes, I think his affairs are private, although having an affair with a FoxNews family values talking head is funny as hell and she deserves to get laughed at. And doing it in an apartment donated for firefighters at Ground Zero is pretty scummy on both their accounts, no?)

What IS it about Clinton? I hardly ever think of the guy anymore, but he's apparently the cause of all of W's problems. Despite the fact he's had a completely compliant Congress for the last two years and a largely compliant Congress for two years before that.
Actually, Kerik's sins are kinda laughable. He didn't bail because of Dem pressure, that's for sure. The Senate Dems were completely ready to roll over for him. It was that his own party was going to disown him that caused him to bail.
I think Kerik's trying to generate an aura of mendacious incompetence so he can get that Medal of Freedom.

boy, this brings me back. you know, I still do want to see Clinton slung from a tree. not literally, just, I want a general consensus the guy was bad news, bad president, et cetera. oh well, idle wants are idle wants. a hundred years from now most everything Clinton did will be erased and the standout accomplishment will be first sex-scandal in the white house. I don't quite get why even liberals want that for an emblem except for the naive hope that whatever liberal things he did are around to stay. agreed Bush is deep red Republican; he got a majority of the popular vote. even slightly less deep red next time, equally cool guy, and it's a reliable win in 2008... and so on... gay marriage issue on the ballots each time and it's set.

can't really care about kerik though. his cabinet nomination never went anywhere, offence was caught early, didn't happen while he was in office, etc... lots of guys beat their wives or cheat on them or whatever, try getting indignant each and every time... sometimes it's just weariness on our part. can't call out everyone or our voice'd get raspy; doesn't mean we don't care. heck, I'm only bothering to capitalize names, it's weariness.

we caught him, so he ain't getting nominated, problem nipped in the bud, next? Clinton was different... he'd already made it to office by the time Lewinsky entered into the picture. too late, and that time around, the solution is successful impeachment instead of not-nominating.

he's not the president, he's not working for the president anymore now that this has been found out, and he's isn't me or someone I know, so it's pretty hard to devote all my energy to it. meh, whatever, he's a jerk, movin' on with life...

I'm a liberal who laughed out loud at the throwaway line. I think I get it:

Republicans call themselves the values party, I think. Certainly they trump moral values.

Why on Earth would any Democrat step in if the Republicans insist on criticizing one of their own? Analogously, if you're a member of a club with strict behavior rules, I'll be upset if you shriek about a non-club-member violating those rules, but if you want to shriek amongst yourselves... why would I care? Republican loyalist Kerik has signed himself up for Club GOP, and if he doesn't follow their rules, let them whack him with a slapstick. It's their club, and when it's in-club folly, ain't my place to impose my rules.

After all, that would be the *Democrats* dictating to the *Republicans* how *they* should think and behave...

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh. Teehee :)

(When clubs start creating legislative policy, then they're automatically imposing the policy rules on everyone. But this isn't legislative proceedings, it's a nomination to the Republican President 2004 Club.)

Hello???? Incoming clue!!!

I don't give a damn if Kerik had an affair with a syphilitic goat on the grave of Ronald Reagan.

I am concerned that it is clear that he is mobbed up.

He was broke, then he bought two apartments, did business with mobbed up businesses, etc.

The problem is not his personal foibles, though his retaliation against someone who wrote up his other mistress is a cause for concern, but the fact that he was on the take.

As far a Radical Republics values - I've recently heard more than one of them championing values by telling the gays to get out of their party! Was Kerik from Queens?

Initally, I agreed. After all, wouldn't mob connections, a dismal record in Iraq, and general incompetence all have a lot more bearing on KoJerk's fitness for the job?

But, aside from a little extra merital "workout" action, there is the issue of stalking...

I wonder if we'll be lucky enough for the next chosen incompetent to fail as resoundingly as Clement Haynsworth, Jr. and G. Harrold Carswell.
http://pava.purdue.edu/pol101/Text/BOOK/10-3.shtml(scroll about halfway down.)

tee-hee, my mistakes are really other people's fault, and my continued fascination with Clinton's cock as an excuse for everything is indicative of their inability to move on.

Tee-hee!
Sorry I clicked through to your blog to see what you had to say.

Nothing here but some silly insults for those that linked to you. That's real class.

Shorter Jane Galt:

"Who needs moral values when you have moral equivalence?"

Posted by: oodja on December 15, 2004 09:22 PM

I'm sorry - I keep reading that wrong. Are you sure you didn't mean "Who needs moral values when you have moral expedience?"

And Eric, you bee half right. There's some silly insults from those that linked to Jane (along with thoughtful commentary and shakings of the head), too!

More than usually inane, even for Jane. The problem isn't the affair, it's the corruption. Not just the mob connections corruption, but the fact that the love nest in which he conducted the affair was supplied to him apparently for free by people doing business with the city.

I don't give a damn if Kerik had an affair with a syphilitic goat on the grave of Ronald Reagan.

Well, I'd be concerned about the goat!

Hey, I'll bet Osama bin Laden expedited a couple blowjobs based on his connections to Ground Zero too!

Update: Y'all it was a throwaway line!

Except that all of the usual suspects in the Hackosphere are now jumping on board.

http://instapundit.com/archives/019896.php

Seriously, just get over the Clintons's sex lives already, people.

It was vicious partisanship at the time. Now it's a symptom of OCD.

Apparently being a phony libertarian means viewing incompetence, sleaze, dishonesty, corruption, wanton abuses of authority and power, and criminal conduct as perfectly appropriate and unworthy of discussion, so long as it's Republicans doing it.

Just call yourselves Bush's useful idiots. Confession is good for the soul.

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