For anyone who's interested, I'm participating in the following debate:
A JinxMagazine.com debate:
Are Chain Stores and Big Box Retailers Hurting New York City?
Yes: Becky Ellis (Burning Man participant)
No: Megan McArdle (JaneGalt.net, The Economist)
Moderator: Michel "The Brain" Evanchik
Host: Todd Seavey
Wednesday, Sept. 7 at 8pm
Lolita Bar (northeast corner of Broome and Allen on Manhattan's Lower
East Side)
Free admission, cash bar
Man, that sounds like an uneven match, unless there's something to your opponent beyond "Burning Man Participant". One hopes there is, but why wouldn't they say so if there was?
Posted by: Sigivald on September 7, 2005 01:10 PMI agree with Sigvald, it hardly seems fair. Jane Galt vs a Burning Man participant is almost like the New England Patriots vs the East Podunk Middle School Wanderers; please don't hurt her.
Posted by: hank on September 7, 2005 01:22 PMMy fellow readers beat me to the "Burning Man" punch. Maybe she also stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night?
Posted by: hh gwin iii on September 7, 2005 01:45 PMHa! "Burning Man Participant". You should webcast the carnage.
Posted by: NathanB on September 7, 2005 02:21 PMGive a synopsis or something when this is over - it sounds interesting. And yeah, I hope that your opponent is at least a *bit* of a challenge - you don't want people to start feeling sympathy for her ;)
Posted by: Alsadius on September 7, 2005 03:07 PM
Is there a New Yorker that is willing to comment on this situation? I'm surprised that big box retailers and the like have been able to invade the NYC area.
Burning Man participant
reminiscent of the debate between scott mcconnell and a drunk skateboarder named throatie
http://www.amconmag.com/08_11_03/feature.html
Posted by: aha on September 7, 2005 03:19 PM"Welcome back. How was the trip?"
Heh. Missed the asterisk on that last post, huh? :-)
Posted by: A.S. on September 7, 2005 03:21 PMHi all,
I just found out about the debate. Sounds like fun. If you want to know more about what is wrong with allowing suburban big box stores free entry into New York City, bookmark my blog, http://www.BigCitiesBigBoxes.com.
MCG
Posted by: Mary Campbell Gallagher on September 7, 2005 05:22 PMDoes anyone else fear for Megan's safety? Seriously, sure she'll have logic, reason, a superior understanding of the principles of economics, but still -- isn't she traveling into the Belly (or at least the Pancreas) of the Beast? Couldn't they have held it in quasi-neutral territory (say, Murray Hill)? Then again, Megan has a lot of fans. Are libertarians are rowdy group? Can they handle themselves in a melee? Seriously, though, this debate will probably be a draw, as each side will be concerned with entirely different issues. Burning Woman will be focused on aesthetics, "human" costs to community, parking, effect on small businesses, and Megan (I presume - likely at my own peril) will focus on benefit to customers, market efficiency, etc. Still, it would be great if Megan, with her wonderful, inimitable mixture of intellect and empathy, could convert some of attendees who came to see Burning Woman?
MB
Where I live the Wal-Marts are huge, get lost in, leave pop-corn trail, huge. I don't see how Wal-Mart can afford to build in NYC especially Manhatten and keep their "low,Low Prices". Is the problem that the New Yorkers are shopping outside city limits and depriving NYC of sales tax dollars? Oh well, its called voting with your feet and is a time honored response when government digs too deeply into a citizens pockets. Is it because they are non-union? I suspect that most retail employers in NYC are non-union (but that is just a guess don't quote me on that).
Anyway, let us know how it turned out.
nyc is a semi communist metropolis, with insanely heavily unionisation everywhere. plus ludicrous rules that help the mob dominate so many industries, including construction and garbage.
so low costs, wide varieties, no unions, and a lackopf cachet spell massive opposition. you get the commies from the unions and the community activists, while also getting elite disdain from people in manhattan, and a general lack of emotion on the part of most likely customers who can already get to som sort of suburb in ny, conn, or nj if they need to.
nyc needs a strong mayor (who isn't a closet dem) who will bulldoze all of this bs. ah for the days of robert moses!
Posted by: hey on September 7, 2005 08:17 PMAccording to this, Becky Ellis is a "marxist feminist and a member of the Resistance Collective"; according to this she's "the mama of a 17 month old wild child and a radical activist in her spare time. She puts out Red Diaper Baby, a zine about the integration of parenting and radical activism".
Yeah, with a resume like that, I guess I'd tout the fact that I attended a big neo-hippy performance art festival in the Nevada desert as my prime qualification in an economic debate, too.
Although, playing up her up-and-coming young British track star creds might have been another way to go. (ok, not very likely the same Becky Ellis! ;))
Posted by: Rob Leder on September 7, 2005 08:40 PM
Looks like that the moderator may be more on her side, from the libertarian POV. The website makes for interesting reading, especially the "About" system.
Sounds interesting, but it's like arguing Winter - good or bad? It's coming and there's not much you can do about it.
Posted by: Neil on September 7, 2005 09:54 PMAll I can say looking in at NYC from SoCal is that if a Subway replaced Hello Deli, Letterman would lose 75% of his schtick.
Posted by: Brad Hutchings on September 7, 2005 10:08 PMBecky was nice enough but Megan very politely made lunch out of her with numbers, facts and logic. Becky basically argued that she didn't move to NYC from Indiana to have it turn into the suburbs she escaped. I tried to ask her what she thought about people who are native New Yorkers who don't want to pay higher prices to live up to some transplant's idea of authenticity but the moderator never picked me. You rocked, Megan, good job.
Posted by: Karol on September 7, 2005 11:27 PMWell, damn, everybody else beat me to snarking the "Burning Man Participant" title.
Posted by: Mason on September 8, 2005 02:50 AMWish I had seen this earlier. Would have asked you to pass a big hello to my old friend Todd.
And yes, Todd would definitely be favoring Megan's case over Becky's. When I was fresh out of NYU, Todd, Chris Whitten and I used to go to International Socialist Organization meetings just to stir them up into a nice froth.
Posted by: Nathan Freeman on September 8, 2005 06:32 AMNathan, you could just say hello to me yourself, but you keep changing your e-address. Contact me by clicking my name here if you want to correct this tragic oversight (and, once again, thanks for debating last night, Megan).
Posted by: Todd Seavey on September 8, 2005 11:56 AMComments are Closed.